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Found The Woman in Black interminably slow and very old fashioned. I prefer some intelligence to my horror movies. Gave up half an hour in, though Ina watched through until the end.

Came in on The Incredible Hulk during the Culver attack, which makes one realise how much better the Hulk effects are in The Avengers (not to mention the explosions!), though my memories of Hulk suggest they were better than that.
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I thought TIH was very boring, and I intensely disliked the look of the Hulk himself, with his skin stretched so thin over all that muscle. Give me Ruffalo-Hulk any day!

However, I have not seen Ang Lee's Hulk.

I saw Hulk at the cinema and have had no desire to see it again. (Ina went to sleep.) The one thing it had going for it were some highly imaginative screen splits, designed to look like the panels of a comic book. It went at a snail's pace - TIH is well paced by comparison - and was essentially pretty sadistic. It was also yet another US movie with Daddy issues.

I randomly saw Hulk showing on tv around 5 years ago. The effects were absolutely dreadful. To be fair, computer animating an entire person with a human face was pretty ambitious at the time, but it still has not aged at all well.

I actually saw "Hulk" in cinemas because, oddly enough, I enjoyed the bootlegged version of the film where the effects were known to be incomplete and I wanted to see what the finished product was like. Not only did the final print not improve much in terms of effects, but there was an odd decision to change the background music in this scene where Hulk is jumping around in the desert. In the bootleg there's some pretty and calm music in the background suggesting a kind of beauty to Hulk jumping huge distances with the wind rushing past him (even as he destroys a tank in the process). In the final cut there was full on "George Of The Jungle" music and no one in the audience was buying it. Trying to pretend that it was some big action scene was a serious mistake since, like I said, Hulk pretty much just destroys one tank during that particular sequence.

I think the biggest problem with "The Incredible Hulk" (asides from not a lot happening) is that the Hulk and Edward Norton don't really feel like the same person. I think the improved effects in "Avengers" helped us to recognise Hulk better.

All that is true. I still think that The Incredible Hulk is the weakest of the films in the MCU 'canon' (which Hulk isn't - in the canon, that is) despite my problems with the script of Captain America: the First Avenger which tried to be all things to all men while referencing every movie it could think of and splicing in bits of Marvel history from elsewhere so it became a dreadful mish-mash.

However, I can cope with bad effects if the script is good. Hulk wasn't. I am also, as you know, not a fan of the Hollywood obsession with Daddy issues. However, I was impressed by the cinematography and, in particular, by the attempts to mimic comic book panels, an effect which was used sparingly but excellently.

Edited at 2013-01-20 04:51 am (UTC)

I was going to say, I have trouble deciding which was worse out of "The Incredible Hulk" and "Captain America: The First Avenger". They were both similarly trying for me.

However, I was impressed by the cinematography and, in particular, by the attempts to mimic comic book panels, an effect which was used sparingly but excellently.

You know there are some people who actively criticise Hulk for that panels thing? I've heard it noted that the panels in comic books are meant to give the impression of movement, so in a movie they are kinda redundant. I don't agree personally. I thought it was quite effective (though as you say, it was good that it was only used sparingly).

Interestingly, all three movies (Hulk, TIH and CA:TFA) suffered from their desperate attempts to avoid the teenage sidekick and were the poorer for it.

By removing Rick and relegating Betty to the background, both the Hulk movies lost the important interaction with Bruce and, more importantly, Hulk himself that was one of the obvious problems. The Hulk, whether or not he is smart and whether or not he is aware of Bruce, needs to have a point of interaction with the audience. He gets that in The Avengers. You can't illuminate a character without giving him or her proper sympathetic interactions. Rick and Betty have provided those (as have other characters over the years.) Also, Bruce loses his selflessness is the rescue of Rick is not the reason for his being turned into the Hulk and, once again, sympathy is lost.

It was handled better in Captain America: the First Avenger by making Bucky the same age as Steve, and by amalgamating him with a little known character called Bernie, who was Steve's protector when he was a child. Of course, then you lose the point Marvel was making with the invention of Bernie (sometime in the 80s, I think) because that original character was gay... That means you also have to fiddle with Bucky's part in the Cap legend and change how he was killed and... the Winter Soldier arc is not going to be so poignant.

Edited at 2013-01-20 04:25 pm (UTC)

To be quite frank, I know next to nothing about who Bucky was supposed to be. He was a very dull character and the idea that this random friend who got fridged by being shot out of the side of a train is going to have some major storyline involving Russians just strikes me as one of the most stupid things I have ever heard.

In the 40s the book was sometimes "Captain America and Bucky"; Cap's teenage sidekick (complete with uniform and mask) and his surrogate little brother. In the comics he is killed by the explosion in the plane that also threw Cap into the Arctic ice, something for which the aforementioned Captain went on a huge guilt trip that lasted some thirty odd years of real time and over ten years of comic book time. It was an old joke in comics that the only people who ever stayed dead were Peter Parker's Uncle Ben, the second Robin, and Bucky Barnes. The latter two are now with us. Bucky's current past is also tied to the Black Widow's, and they may work with that in CA2. (Bucky was also Captain America for a period after the superhero Civil War, even after Steve Rogers came back from the dead. At that point Steve was going by Commander Rogers, with a much nicer uniform. (see icon - I wish I could remember who did the original manyip of Chris Evans in this uniform.)

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