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It was the moment, watching Robin Hood that I finally broke... the moment when Marion/Marian/whatever was ploughing with a heavy horse in modern horse harness in the fuckin' reign of King John. (Oxen, dear Lord, oxen. Horses weren't used for ploughing in a widespread way in England for a hundred more years, and horses were never eighteen hands at that period, even the knights were riding beasts of about fifteen hands - this animal was a rather nice black Shire...)

And now they're singing bloody sea chanties! That wouldn't happen until you got the big ships where work crews needed to harmonise their effort.
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It's an AU. *nods firmly* Just like Robin of Sherwood was.

An AU? An Astronomical Unit? Err...

I liked Robin of Sherwood... a thousand times better than the more recent Robin-the-Hoodie. Even Richard Armitage couldn't make up for lines of dialogue like: 'To me, my gang!'
And I'm not even going to mention Costner... oh, I just did... well, let's just say that his research consisted of watching Robin of Sherwood. He used the same horse-handlers, the same locations... and even stole the saracen. Sheesh! Though Alan Rickman's scenery chewing was amusing.

Despite everything (not being a Russell Crowe fan) I was surprised to find that I didn't actually hate the new version as much as I expected to. Though as movie versions go, I much preferred Errol Flynn's 1938 version. Since it made to effort to gain any period authenticity, it was, in effect, an unashamed Robin Hood fantasy set in an alternate universe of Nottingham-by-Hollywood.

AU = Alternate Universe. Robin-the-Hoodie (I love that description!) is a VERY Alternate Universe. I gave up at the Sheriff's black satin pyjamas. Not to mention Much's rainbow knitted vest...

RoS was AU by virtue of the fact that the whole thing spanned AT LEAST 20 years, without anyone apparently aging more than two. I wrote a piece of meta-essay about it for a RoS fanclub.

I've got several mates from the archery club in the Russell Crowe film. But I grew up with Richard Greene!

Oh, yes, Richard Greene = the real Robin Hood for a whole generation of us, I suspect, though I liked RoS better, Robin Hood, Robin Hood, riding through the glen... will ever echo in my sublim along with Muffin the Mule, Andy Pandy and 'the biggest spotty dog you ever did see.' There was also William Tell, The Buccaneers (Captain Dan Tempest), and Ivanhoe with a very young Roger Moore. All seen on a black and white fourteen inch screen. Not to mention Buster Crabbe as Flash Gordon battling Emperor Ming to save Dale Arden every Saturday teatime.

Yes, I like RoS better. But the old theme tune is embedded in my consciousness...

I don't remember ever watching Muffin the Mule, though Andy Pandy and the Woodentops featured in my TV diet once we got one. (Never saw Flash Gordon either.) Also Rag Tag and Bobtail! And William Tell, and then Fireball XL5 and Stingray! (Didn't much care for Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlet was OK though...) Man from Uncle, and Doctor Who, and then - oh joy! - Adam Adamant Lives!. And then this strange American show called Star Trek...

As a very small child I remember Muffin the Mule, Prudence Kitten and Bengo the Boxer Puppy, but my memory is much clearer when it comes to: Picture Book on Monday; Andy Pandy on Tuesday; Bill and ben on Wednesday; Rag Tag and Bobtail (Tales of the Riverbank) on Thursday and The Woodentops on Friday, which was my favourite.

Doctor Who, of course, through the 60s, not to mention The Monkees whom I saw on stage at Wembley after winning an essay competition in the Sheffield Star - and very good they were, too, with a full 2 hour show at a time when you were lucky if pop bands on tour did much more than 20 minutes on stage.

In my teen years I was a big Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and Man From UNCLE fan. Also, later, Doomwatch with a very young Robert Powell as Toby Wrenn. That was around 1971, I think. Though not SF I also adored Alias Smith and Jones with Pete Deuel and Ben Murphy. I used to time my do-the-laundry visits home from college for a Monday night with Smith & Jones followed by Doomwatch. (We didn't have a telly in our student house, so it was the only way to see it.)

Cripes! A Voyage fan. There are still some of us around. Well, me and ellarien and themis1 and badkarma_one anyway...

I recall being in love with David Hedison when I was about thirteen.

I have a great affection for David. I was watching first season Voyage the other day, and he has an astonishing profile. Oddly, a lot of my old Voyage fannish friends have more love for Robert Dowdell (Chip Morton) and he is cute, and my bestest friend at school had a crush on Richard Basehart (until she found out that her mother had had a thing for him when she was her age.) Of course, as the years pass it suddenly doesn't matter. The actors stay the same on film and you get into cradle snatching mode. In that aspect, the chap who played Prince John in Robin Hood was cute.

Edited at 2010-10-02 12:12 pm (UTC)

Yes, my best friend Chris has a thing for Chip Morton. I didn't know it was available on DVD. I'd be almost afraid to watch it after all this time in case it didn't live up to my memories of it.

I want the body of your Captain and I mean to have it

to which the response was, even at the time, "Wait your turn, mate."

The Voyage DVDs are only available in Region 1 (for some unfathomable reason.) I've only bothered with first season which has all the best episodes, and some stunningly good TV. That first, black and white series, had a very realistic, spy thriller feel for the first 20 or so episodes, but then moved into the monster area. The acting was good enough, in Mutiny to get Richard Basehart nominated for an Emmy. That remains one of the best episodes, together with Submarine Sunk Here, Doomsday and The Condemned which I was watching the other day. Of course, there are a number of total duds (I could mention Long Live the King, I could mention The Buccaneer) but, on the whole, it wasn't half as silly as it became from series 2 onwards...

Edited at 2010-10-02 01:22 pm (UTC)

I think you've just described most of our vintage DVD collection (well, of what's survived). Bengo! And Bleep and Booster in Blue Peter (which may have been my introduction to SF.

Even better, there was William Russell in The Adventures of Sir Lancelot with its wicked sense of humour, and a Merlin who used reasonably near-period science and engineering to achieve his 'magic', something Lancelot discovered immediately.

When I bought this box set a couple of years back, I was astonished to find it was better than I remembered, thanks to excellent scriptwriting, and a great performance from Russell, which overcame a lack of budget, non-existent fight arrangers, and knitted chain mail.

William Russell, yes! I knew there had been a Lancelot but I'd forgotten who played him. I never twigged that Sir Lancelot later went adventuring in the Tardis.

*Love for Lancelot and Ian Chesterton*

I don't remember seeing that ever! Must put it on the Amazon wishlist... (for when I win the lottery!)

Since it made to effort to gain any period authenticity, it was, in effect, an unashamed Robin Hood fantasy set in an alternate universe of Nottingham-by-Hollywood.

Which is what I much prefer they do with legends - in particular with both Robin Hood and the Arthurian mob. The Adventures is my personal favourite, and I actually prefer Costner to the current incarnation for that very reason. It's silly and fun and never tries for authenticity - good, no. Watchable, yes.

I don't have time for any of the TV versions.

You should be grateful she wasn't driving a tractor and singing pop songs...

Yes, I suppose the BBC version might have done that if they'd thought of it.

If you must continue to watch, you could give points to eps for anachronisms and see which is most confused...

I am hoping that history_spork will tackle it. They know a lot more than I do - though I am still goggling at Marion (a married woman, what's more) riding around with her hair loose as a matter of course.

Oh dear yes.

I remember the tremendous quarrel we had when RoS first came out because Marian was riding SIDE-SADDLE. I eventually settled that - to my own satisfaction, at least - by consulting a book *at work* (!!! - the things you find in Consumers' Association's Library...) which said that the side-saddle had been introduced *in France* by that time. So I quibbled successfully that she'd obviously learnt it from her French relatives...

Though it wasn't in general use until the 17th Century - ah, the puritans had a lot to answer for...

Which Robin Hood is this? There have been so many that I lose track, except for Robin and Marian and the BBC one from the 80s.

Presumably it's the one with Russell Crowe playing Robin Hood with an Irish accent.

The new Russell Crowe version hit UK cinemas around June time. It's supposed to be a new take, of course, so it twists the legend like mad. It's qite entertaining. I just wished they hadn't called it Robun Hood.

The one that was made this year by Ridley Scott, with Russell Crowe as Robin (sorta) and Cate Blanchett as Marion (sorta.)

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