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They've gone too far again.
I can take all sorts of things, including the 'druids' as a race --

but Dobermanns were not created (and they are a created breed, bred by a tax collector called - wait for it - Herr Dobermann) until the end of the 19th Century. They are not particularly good trackers, they are not hunting dogs, and they were certainly not the tracking breed of choice at the court of King Uther.

Now, if they had used any of the Mastiff breeds (including the Rottweiler), oe the Deerhound, or the Irish Wolfhound, or even the Greyhound or the English Foxhound or the Otterhound, or (as the series is filmed in France) one of the French boarhounds, or Mastiffs) that would have been pretty much okay, as most of those breeds, or variants of them, were around in the Middle Ages - but not, not, not the Dobermann!

Bloody Merlin. I don't see why Ina insists on watching it.
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I wonder what % of the population spotted that error? And how it affected their enjoyment of the episode! ;0|

Everyone has something they can't cope with - and Merlin specialises in anachronistic errors.

Oh dear, yes, that is another tiresome blooter. I really can't be bothered with that ruddy programme at all. The boys are far too young and far too pouty and it's just silly. And silly with no dinosaurs is hard to take.

It's lovely to see all the French hounds out on the hills at the weekends here. We actually managed some credibility with the guy who delivered out winter wood because we had a good ratting terrier and a 'leivrier' (spelling??) ie a lurcher. He wanted to know if we took him hunting. I said he would if we gave him half a chance.

PS A query from Munchkin, or rather two, for a fic. 1. What were the trees in your iron age camp piccies? I thought beech. 2. What was the thing about the Centennial Way renaming? They haven't tried to rename Epping Forest have they? I was confused by that and couldn't answer her question.

The trees in the picture are almost certainly beech, judging by the amount of leaves and mast. Epping Forest is mainly oak, hornbeam and beech.

The major paths through the forests have names, which are mainly 'rides' of one form or another (the Green Ride, the Up and Down Ride, the Clay Ride) - and there are also major walkers 'ways' that follow those pathways.

The Centennial Way is a minor walker's route marked on OS maps - which do not mark the local Forest names. However, the Centennial Way is a very unimportant path and, while Three Forests Way and The London Loop are marked all maps, the Centennial Way is not marked on local maps, but is used on the OS maps where the Forest names are not.

Also, I must admit I can't figure where the Centennial Way runs on the ground - some parts of it don't seem to exist any more.

Thanks! I'll pass this on.

Edited at 2009-10-03 06:30 pm (UTC)

Thank you! As often happens with me, a stray conversation ended up influencing my next fic. I now have Cutter and Ryan doing naughty things up against a beech tree... *corrects doc*

I don't see why Ina insists on watching it.

Because it's much too entertaining reading/hearing your rants to stop? ;-)

She's also telling untruths. "Because it's better than Bonekickers" was one recent comment.

This is true. But then, being struck about the head with an iron bar is better than Bonekickers. It was a bizarrely hilarious show (in a completely awful way), but I'd certainly never put myself through that again...

Note she doesn't mention Demons - the show that made Bonekickers look excellent.

LOL, BonKers was way better than Merlin. There were so many priceless artefacts they hadn't yet burnt. I was so looking forward to teh team making the acquaintance of the Turin Shroud.

But that would imply that the Turin shroud was an ancient artifact and not a late Middle-Ages fraud....


LOL, I didn't mean to imply it was actually very old. But there again, I absolutely love fakes, forgeries etc of all types.

You should have heard her scream of rage at the Dobermanns.

I watch it because there's bugger-all else on on a Saturday night. I have a severe deficiency of Doctor Who.

But neither of us like NuWho - though we will give the New Management a chance - so that's hardly a good excuse on her part.

Gasp! You don't like NuWho???? I'd got a bit jaded with OldWho (frankly turned off completely by Colin Baker after loving Tom Baker, so I missed a lot of Sylvester McCoy without really meaning to) and I didn't see NuWho until part way thriugh the first season, but caught up to it very quickly after that and loved it, both Chris Eccleston and David Tennant's doctors. Agreed some episodes are better than others, but when they are good they are very very good and when they're not, they're still decent. Not sure iof I'm looking forward to the change (Matt Smith is _so_ young!) but I'll certainly give it a chance. Steven Moffatt is one of the consistently good writers.

I was never really a Who fan at all, though I watched a lot of it, one way or another. I was excited at that thought of RTDs stint but loathed the reality. It's all this stupid One True Love business, plus the total lack of internal logic (unless Moffat is involved, and even then...) Tennant gurns. It drives me mad - and so do the continual family issues, the overuse of the Daleks, the idiot Rose, Catherine Tate.... I could go on.

I've gone back to Hartnell recently and found it better than I remembered. I really liked Troughton, and quite liked the Pertwee era, though then there was Jo Grant and a lot of screaming, while I hated Tom Baker but loved Leela and the first Romana, loved Davidson and Turlough but loathed Adric, disliked Baker and hated his various companions, but I'm very found of McCoy and Ace - who had only one utterly triffic script.

I was brought up through the first three doctors and loved all of them, particularly Pertwee and UNIT, but I loathed Baker and gave up on everything after him.

I liked the NuWho stuff at first, but have become increasingly bored with it, and RTD's infatuation with Rose. The new Dr is too young to interest me, and I suspect I will have lost interest again, but I suppose I'll watch, just to see.

I grew up with Old-Who and never even considered whether it was good, bad or indifferent - it just WAS. I liked Pertwee well enough but was disappointed abut him being stuck on earth so much. Tom Baker was 'my' doctor from those formative years, but Davidson was OK, too. Kinda cute. Like I say, Colin Baker spoiled it for me. I like the more emotional slant on Nu-Who. I don't mind the Rose thing at all and it did, after all, have its season and end reasonably appropriately. Bear in mind that One True Love between a timelord and a human is always going to be temporary and however besotted, the Doctor knows that. Besides - the Doctor was quick enough to fall for La Pompadour while Rose was on the other side of the fireplace.

Rose is a twat.

Beisdes, RTD can't write a logical script to save his life, and he hates middle aged women. Being a middle-aged-to-old woman myself, this did not endear him to me. Also, he has no idea how to pace a story.

I was already really too old for Dr Who when it first aired. It seemed to mean the end of all I had loved about BBC SF - the wonderful Quatermass and Andromeda series. Indeed, there was very little for some years afterwards, and they hated Counterstrike so much they cancelled it without actually airing a key episode.

I was probably just about the right age to buy into Doctor Who right from the beginning (an impressionable 13 year old), but I do remember A for Andromeda and Andromeda Breakthrough. I was a bit young for them probably, but mightily impressed. I still have the paperback of A for Andromeda (Fred Hoyle and John Elliot if I recall correctly). I remember Peter Halliday as Fleming, and the first appearance of Julie Christie. Looking it up on IMDB the whole Andromeda thing was not as early as I remembered. I'd have guessed late 50s but it was actually 1961. I was definitely too young for Quatermass. I watched it but it scared me spitless.

I was definitely too young for Quatermass. I watched it but it scared me spitless.

I still have vivid memories of watching Quatermass and the Pit from behind the sofa. It still scares me. I am told my Grandad covered my eyes during The Quatermass Experiment.

Then there were series like The Escape of RD7, The Red Grass and The Monsters.

Sadly I don't remember the other series - at least not by name. I do remember one where they exploded an atom bomb at the end and just by flashing the screen into negative I was petrified. Of course the A-bomb was the big SCARY THING then, too, and we were probably all scared of the idea. As for the Quatermass ones all I can recall is someone covered in slime. Euwww. And watching it with my hands over my eyes - peeping between the cracks between my fingers.

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Rotties are shorter in the leg and much heavier, with shorter faces - indeed, with fairly pushed in faces, though not as much as the Boxer, which is another German dog. They were, to quote my Mum, a "butcher's dog", and are descended from Mastiff types - the breed standard claims that they are directly descended from the Roman Mastiff . They only come in black and tan.


Dobes are taller and much, much more elegant, with longer faces. They were not recognised over here until the 1940s. They were bred from a number of strains, including the Manchester Terrier and the Pinscher. They also come in four colourways!


Note that, in most of Europe, it is illegal to crop a dog's ears and you now see both Dobes and Rotties with long tails.

Note: Use the Wiki references for the pictures and history - a lot of the rest of the comments are, to say the least of it, dubious.

Edited at 2009-10-03 08:53 pm (UTC)

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