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Guns! Guns! Guns!
anomalies
lil_shepherd
That was what I was yelling at the TV while two supposed members of the Special Forces team on Primeval episode 3.08 sat beside an anomaly, playing cards, then heard a noise and went to 'ave a look unarmed. I mean, how bloody stupid does the scriptwriter think they, and we, are?

That said, Becker becomes the only member of the ARC or even the pre-ARC special forces team to effectively kill something with a gun. I am impressed. In fact, Becker was the only person talking sense throughout the episode.

Also, I have a question. Well, I have a lot of questions, but... If you had a brother who had sold your pet on the internet to pay his gambling debts, and your ex-flatmate-possible-boyfriend went and got said pet back without letting you know how much of a prat said brother was - a fact he had just proved by nearly getting everyone killed - so you could guard against it happening again, just because he thought you might be upset... would you think he was wonderful and kiss him for thinking you couldn't handle the truth? Personally, he'd've felt the flat of my hand, and so would Jack. Abby was acting like an totally unprofessional idiot (so Connor looked good, as is usual) but then so was Danny, and Connor, and Sarah. (Strewth - stamp on the damn thing, woman, it's just a bug.) Only Lester and Becker acquitted themselves with any sense.

Also, while we are on the questions, how come the Future Predators are now so easy to kill? They used to be pretty much unstoppable. Also, insects that big can't take in enough oxygen to live in our atmosphere - and it seems likely that the future one isn't very different, I don't find them in the least convincing. I certainly don't believe they could fly.

There were fun moments, and Becker was great, but it is getting to the stage when I am just watching in order to work out the optimum point to retcon the whole bloody thing. Though seeing Danny covered in goo sorta made my day.

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Becker does seem to spend a fair amount of time on his back firing a gun between his knees, mind you, I'm not complaining!

It continues to annoy me how incompetent they make the soldiers, and the writers have been doing a good job of making Abby irritating as well this series. She's showed up late twice now without comment.

They're not doing her character any service at all, this time round.

I have always liked Abby, but it is getting very difficult to like her at present. Just because I have this thing about competence, and she is losing hers.

I was getting very irritated with the way she was being scripted on Saturday.

There is no consistency in the way Abby is scripted. First season Abby was practical and grown-up (except for the sequence in the one with the Dodos where she was being pushed into the damsel in distress role) and there have been flashes of that Abby, on and off, this season. Most of the time, though, she seems to be there to be, once again, the damsel in distress, and Connor's love interest - and, last night, she stopped thinking.

I'd need to see the episode to be sure, but couldn't Connor have taken it upon himself to recover Rex so that -
* Jack does not become, in Abby's eyes, Caroline mk 2
* Abby doesn't have to worry about if/when she'll get Rex back
- though I agree with you that Jack deserves a slap.

yeah, its sad how the writers suddenly realized how tough the Future Predators were - and promptly turned teh FPs into wimps. (I heard once that something similar happened to the Borg in Star Trek)

pretty sure the flying thing was what won the Primeval contest - remember when the fans were invited to design a Creature?
(though the Arthropleurids in the Underground were big too)

Yes, those are pretty much Connor's excuses. But isn't this disrespect? Is Abby so weak she is in need of this kind of protection? If so, what is she doing on the team? If not, what right has Connor to take this decision about someone else's life on himself?

If, say your brother or sister stole money from your house, and your girlfriend made them put it back, but never told you they had stolen it in the first place, when said sibling "borrowed", say, then wrecked your car, would you be grateful to your girlfriend for not warning you what a dishonest prat your sibling was?

I mean, I do think this is in character for Connor, but I thought he was storing up trouble for himself, based on the strong and competent Abby of the first two series and the glimpses of her we have seen this one...

I'm looking at it from Abby's point of view, and all my feminist hackles are up.

>Yes, those are pretty much Connor's excuses. But isn't this disrespect? Is Abby so weak she is in need of this kind of protection? If so, what is she doing on the team?
her brain, for one.

> If not, what right has Connor to take this decision about someone else's life on himself?
...and so Connor now becomes Stephen, who himself had taken decisions about someone else's life on himself.

>If, say your brother or sister stole money from your house, and your girlfriend made them put it back, but never told you they had stolen it in the first place, when said sibling "borrowed", say, then wrecked your car, would you be grateful to your girlfriend for not warning you what a dishonest prat your sibling was?
*jaw drops* why didn't you SAY SO? I mean, if someone had said that Rex was killed or injured by Jack's actions -- that changes everything I said!
(seriously, it does)

>I mean, I do think this is in character for Connor, but I thought he was storing up trouble for himself,
...which is also typical Connor. :)

No, Rex is okay!

Not to spoiler you, but Jack does some very, very stupid things (not those in my example) in 3.08 which puts everyone's lives in danger.

There were fun moments, and Becker was great, but it is getting to the stage when I am just watching in order to work out the optimum point to retcon the whole bloody thing. Though seeing Danny covered in goo sorta made my day.

You won't get any disagreement from me on any of those points! I have resigned myself to the fact that I'm watching a different show from the one that originally attracted me.

I really would like to know how much of the bad writing is down to hasty rewrites when DH bailed out, and how much would have been shite anyway *g*.

Some of it is due to rewrites, I think, but most of it seems to be a decision to change the show so it can be more like Dr Who, and also the fact that none of the scriptwriters really know the show or the characters.

And not knowing the show or the characters has probably been the most unforgivable thing . . . I think that's why I'm so snotty about Abby and Connor suddenly doing bizarre things. The writers have done very little with Abby yet again, and I was infuriated by her being painted in a poor light this time around with no explanation.

I'm inclined to agree with this assessment. All the writers are new, and don't know the characters.

And if they are changing the show to make it more Who-like, they're utter idiots. The great thing about Primeval is it's different to Who. I love Dr Who, new and old, but I don't want Primeval to be remotely like it.

Well, as I cordially dislike nuWho you can imagine how I feel about it!

What annoys me is that it's entirely unnecessary. Primeval did perfectly well in S1 and 2 the way it was, steering clear of being like Who. Even when they unexpectedly had to write out Cutter in S3, there really wasn't that great a need to alter the format in the way they have. Up to about ep 5 it was working okay with Jenny in the lead, backed up by Connor.

I really don't get what they're up to with Abby, or indeed with Connor. After Cutter's death it looked like he was going to take on a lot of Cutter's responsibilities and role, but now they seem to have forgotten that. I don't mind the comedy elements (such as with Lester) so long as in between he's carrying out Cutter's' mission'.

They really need someone like Cutter, a scientist, as team leader, not an action man like Danny. Cutter would certainly not have let Abby go missing on an anomaly shout - he was angry with Stephen for not turning up on the M25. At the start of the series i was pleased to see Abby working with Cutter, taking on part of what would have been Stephen's place as tracker, etc, but once Cutter went they let that drop, too. In terms of the work, Abby and Connor are the most experienced members of the team, and that's how the writers should be using them. They should be telling Danny, 'this is what we do in such-and-such a situation'.

This is the problem with Danny - he is as self-confident/arrogant as Cutter, but does not have the smarts to back it up.

The basic stories aren't bad, it just seems like something is lacking in the execution. Though I did enjoy this week''s quite a bit, and Danny didn't annoy me half as much as last week. I'd definitely love to see what you come up with in a retcon :-) I'm still working on my Paralllel Lines series, and waiting to catch the final ep.

I'm not so bothered about the bugs being impossible - last year's scorpions were the same and I thought they were great creatures - but I do agree they should do much better by the soldiers, or simply not have them there at all. And the team should be thinking much more than they have been this year. The methods they established in Cutter's time are still perfectly valid, and it annoys me that the writers have made them forget that.

And goo-covered Danny was definitely funny :-)

Indeed, and Cutter and Co would have had problems breathing in the Silurian, when the oxygen content of the atmosphere was lower than it is today. Even more annoyingly, the arthropods in 1.02 were accompanied by leakage of their oxygen-rich atmosphere into the tunnels, and their survival here was therefore explained.

Series One explained things and had internal logic. I am reminded of why I loved Tales of the Gold Monkey, which introduced totally out of place things to the South Pacific (wild tigers, for instance) but rarely failed to explain them...

My sister-in-law convinced me that the two men playing cards were car mechanics, not special forces.

But the Connor/Abby thing I'm with you on - so many better ways to bring the two of them to that point, if that's where you wanted to take them.

Unfortunately, I think the later comments by the team do suggest they were Special Forces. If they weren't, what the heck were they doing sitting next to the anomaly without remarking on it?

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